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(money contributed)+50X(building hours)
That isnt really a fair value, 2 hours of work will usually result in around 30-50$, so it should be reduced to
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(money contributed)+20X(building hours)
(money contributed)+50X(building hours)
(money contributed)+20X(building hours)
Then why post? Ever hear of Trolling? Hijacking threads? Being a tool?
That isnt really a fair value, 2 hours of work will usually result in around 30-50$, so it should be reduced toIf not then all the builders in my town will have triple the amount of voting power then the money makers, even tho both are working as hard as possible.Code:(money contributed)+20X(building hours)
You are of course absolutely correct, and your idea will be implemented imediately, thank you
What are you guys talking about?
This is a role playing game so of course we all know you can just leave a town, or not even join a town where this is in effect, why so much hostility ?
The weighted votes can (if you read the salient part) be over ruled by the Mayors, which is exactly how the game operates anyway.
Lastly, Mad Hank is an extremely literate person, English is not his first language, and neither is it mine, we are both human and so we are bound to make some tiny errors.
<< as indeed you also could have said "could rather than should">>
You are of course absolutely correct, and your idea will be implemented imediately, thank you
Dark Assa, what you are currently doing is called trolling and generally frowned upon
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we are talking about weighted votes, and how much the proportion should be, 50 times was too much, 20 times is much fairer
Lamorra, no town mayor can be forced to have these implemented, as I stated in the very beginning. And all that want these implemented can modify them. So yes, it's a template.
Yep. I could have said 'could' and purposely said 'should'. I wasn't hostile at all. Mad Hank posted on the boards his suggestion. I assumed he wanted feedback no matter what the feedback was. I gave my opinion on it point by point.
If the weighted votes can be overruled by the Mayor then what is the point of them? Seems to me as if you are asking citizens to donate more to get a weightier vote and then taking the right they paid for away from them.
I never said that your reasoning was crap, I explained that there was a process to ensure that would not happen in extreme and obvious cases. Talamere made a valid point that we had not explored fully (50X was just a quick example) and we agree that his calculations are better than ours.Why is my reasoning that weighted votes are bought votes crap, and this other guys reasoning that the formula isn't fair valid? Oh, because you think I was attacking your policies. Not agreeing word for word with your policies does not make me hostile to your intentions.
Well you have the non-skilled builder example. Also, maybe you have a dueler that is using your town as a base to conduct a personal vendetta. Maybe he was kicked out of a previous town and he is harassing all the members of his old town by non-stop dueling them. Maybe this town is getting upset about it and wants to declare war on your town unless your vengeful dueler is kicked out of town. You would have to decide what action to take and how immediately. You would have to weigh the rights of the citizen that got you into that mess, without your consent or knowledge, versus the good of your town.
Or maybe you are in a war with another town and one of your citizens is a planted spy giving away information to your enemies. In that case you may not want to make public the situation and take immediate action and boot that citizen from your town.
I'm sure there are other examples but those 2 seem valid to me.
Mad Hank, I actually like most of your ideas. I am just playing devils advocate a bit. Its what I do.
It is on place in our Town Forum, our citizens are keen to implement it, we thought other towns might enjoy the fun of writing their own Bill of Rights .. we did not unleash anything on the worldAlso, if your town is a democracy where everyone is voting on the rules and policies then why post it here first. Post it on your town forum and get your citizens opinions on it first before unleashing it on the world.
This was definitely an interesting read; too hard to be implemented, but they're good guidelines that towns may wish to follow in the future.
Few things I'd like to touch on:
1. The place of Popular Votes and Weighted Votes with Town Mayors, and of course, the Third Right.
- If a member does not agree with the chosen proposal a town mayor decided, they may call upon the third right and refuse to participate in the outcome. Should this be left alone, changed, or infracted upon?
- If the majority of members decide to go with the opposite proposal instead of what the town mayor decides, this is left alone because of the preamble, changed, or infracted upon?
2. Town Forum and the First Right.
- If a vote calls to clear the town forum, specifically the voting section, for whatever reason, this will be decided how? Ignored, or implemented? And if stated in the town's policies, would it be overruled?
3. A suggestion on Weighted Votes.
- Perhaps it would be better to use a 1:1(or 2:2, 3:3, etc) ratio, and stacked voting. Each member gains 1 extra vote per $100 contributed, and 1 extra vote per 1 hour of work contributed. Therefore, a member that has contributed $500, gets 6 votes, while a member that has contributed 5 hours of work, also gets 6 votes. This is, of course, if you decide to even give a single vote to a member that has contributed nothing as a default, if not a decimal for under an hour of work or under $100 deposited.
(I lost my train of thought from too many distractions; I apologize if I didn't word anything too well or missed any previous statements).
Dark Assa, what you are currently doing is called trolling and generally frowned upon
If you do not contribute directly to the topic at hand, then do not post at all.
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Don't like how a town is run? vote with your feet and found a town of your own!